Jordan Ames (00:01.768)
Well, welcome back to another episode of the Red Letter Leadership podcast. We're glad you're tuning in to join us. This is where we pull lessons out of our book, Red Letter Leadership. We expound on a lesson in this podcast for the whole purpose of growing us closer to our savior and in doing so, growing us as leaders. And so today's episode is actually the lesson we're going to be pulling out of the book. If you have the book, it's from
page 423, but the lesson is actually titled, Red Letter Leadership. So the book's titled, Red Letter Leadership, but this is the only lesson in the book that we also titled, Red Letter Leadership. And I'm gonna read our key verse from that lesson. Maybe you can understand a little why we've titled it, Red Letter Leadership. And it is found in John 7 verse 18.
Jesus says, he who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself. But he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth. There is nothing false about him. So to give you a little context of this, these Jesus is teaching in the temple courts and some of these Jewish leaders are coming to him like.
While they're amazed at his teaching, where'd all this wisdom come from when he hasn't studied under anybody? And of course, as Jesus is explained to them, that he studied under the Father, the one who sent him. He said that in verse 16. My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. So really, the reason why I titled this lesson, Red Letter Leadership, is because that's the basis of the entire book.
We want to be students of Christ and we want to be leaders who lead, speak, follow, have integrity, have humility. We want to do all those things for the honor of the one who sent us. And then as Jesus says in verse 18, for that person who can do those things,
Jordan Ames (02:27.499)
He is a man of truth. There is nothing false about him. I promise you, if we can truly live, lead, speak in honor of Jesus and not just ourselves, this kind of goes back to Jesus' instruction to if we're going to follow him, we must deny self. So if we're not speaking for ourselves, but we're speaking in honor of the one who sent us, I promise you people,
are going to want to follow you. Now doesn't mean you won't face opposition. It doesn't mean there's going to be haters, or there won't be haters, I should say. Because we live in a fallen world. If you're doing the things that are written in the Bible, you're going to face the opposition. But when it comes to good, sound leadership, and the idea of leadership is influence, your ability to influence other people,
People will want to follow you.
So let's dig into some discussion. got Eric with us today. So Eric, let me ask you this. Eric, for those of you who maybe are new to the podcast, Eric is co-author of the book, a co-host of this podcast. And he has, I guess, little over 20 years of time in the military, recently retired. And now he's looking at where God's sending him next.
And he serves a lot in his church. He's helped develop the men's ministry there. But the man has certainly had to be a part of or for himself make a lot of decisions. So Eric, how would your decision making change if you consistently filtered it through the question, does this honor the one who sent me? And maybe in your case, Eric, maybe it doesn't have to change much because you've been living for Christ for
Jordan Ames (04:29.033)
many years, but I guess maybe you can help the listeners understand the two sides of that coin. What does it look like to do this in honor of the one who sent me? And then if you have any examples or stories of whether it's for yourself or somebody you know of seeking to honor themself and how decision making looked like in that situation.
Eric Albright (04:53.998)
Sure. Well, first, thanks again, Jordan, having me back on. I love coming on here and rifting with you, especially on leadership, red letter type leadership, servant-based leadership. And to answer your question, I think the first part of it is it comes down. So when you say, guys, my leadership style honoring the one capital O-N-E who sent me.
Jordan Ames (05:04.415)
Yeah.
Eric Albright (05:17.674)
I would say it's broken down into two parts. Is it honoring the capital O-N-E? And there's also one who sent me a little O-N-E. But what it really comes down, I think, first is to motive. So to what ends? And only you can answer this. In an honest moment, what ends are you trying to achieve?
or what outcome are you trying to reach when you're when because leadership is influenced and so if you're based on what you said that's a Maxwell quote and
Jordan Ames (05:51.743)
Yeah, attributed to him, yep.
Eric Albright (05:54.158)
And so if you're, so when you're trying to influence something to do, someone to do something, is that something you're trying to influence them to do driven at a personal ambition or so selfish ambition or selfless ambition? So it really comes down to motive. All right. And, and that's what you've got to ask yourself. And the only person that can truly answer it is you.
Because that leopard can look like a whole bunch of different, you can disguise the spots on that thing in a whole bunch of different ways, right? But you're really going to know what your intent is what you'd like to get out of that. And if we're going to keep it simple, and the 100 level, 200 level, it's like, are you?
honoring him by using a servant leadership model. And so is what you're doing to the benefit of somebody else that's not yourself. But sometimes that benefit is the one, the person you're trying to influence, even though they may not see it at the time. Sometimes that benefit is to somebody else that's not that person, but maybe it's your boss. And that's the little O.N.E. And so...
Jordan Ames (07:06.891)
Mm-hmm.
Eric Albright (07:08.022)
Are you honoring the capital O-N-E by keeping it selfless and not selfish? Where's your motive coming from?
But the little O-N-E is, because you said in your key verse here, Jordan, the one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory, but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there's no falsehood. And so you could be God honoring while being in the secular world, boss quote unquote, boss honoring. And so because sometimes, remember this Jordan, you've got to carry the water. Like you've got an order or you've got...
a direction that your boss wants you to go that you don't necessarily fully agree with but you have to carry the water for that and so then when you're going to that subordinate you've got to carry that water and act you've got to make them think it's your idea and because you're fully on board with it and and so sometimes
You don't necessarily agree with it, but you've got to be able to sell it, quote unquote, as if it's your own. And I think you're serving at that point, you're serving an earthly O-N-E, which is your boss. But I think God honors that too, because it's submission to authority. And there's a whole bunch of scripture that discusses submission to authority and finding yourself in the right spot and knowing your point in the hierarchy and when to push back against. If it's a lawful and a legal lawful
and ethically sound order, there's really not a reason that you should push back. Who cares what you think?
Jordan Ames (08:40.328)
Right. Right.
Eric Albright (08:42.782)
And so in that case, you're standing the moral high ground and you're respecting your boss, love, joy, you know, but it comes down to fruits of the spirit. You're handling it in a fruits of the spirit type of way. Meg said this on a previous podcast, anchor that response in the fruits of the spirit, Galatians 5, right? And carry the mail for both the little O-N-E and the big O-N-E, the one. And that's where I'll kind of pause for a second.
Jordan Ames (08:58.923)
Mm-hmm. That was good.
Eric Albright (09:12.076)
So I think it's multifaceted.
Jordan Ames (09:12.501)
Yeah. yeah, for sure. I love how you brought in brought in motive and, you know, selfless versus versus selfish because it's it's very easy because well, there's a there's a lot of things in the Bible that. What we call it disputable matters, right? Like you got disagreements within the church and it's it's maybe what's what's best or what you think is best or what, but it doesn't
Either side may not go against scripture. It's just a it's a disputable matter. It's work it out and then go.
Eric Albright (09:46.05)
That's exactly right. it's what they fancy word they call not salvific, Jordan. Your salvation isn't based upon your opinion on that particular matter. It's Yeah.
Jordan Ames (09:53.835)
I haven't heard that word.
yeah, yeah, yeah, good. Yeah, so like the example you gave, you have a boss and you have to do what they say. And if it's not illegal, unethical or immoral, and you just may not feel like it's the right thing or the right direction or the right, like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how you feel. can't just go off exactly, get over yourself.
Eric Albright (10:14.891)
effect.
Eric Albright (10:23.426)
Who cares? Get over yourself.
Jordan Ames (10:27.659)
Can't go off those feelings. And as you were saying that, I was remembering the last verse of the passage we're on, it's John 7, 14 to 24. And I didn't read it earlier. I just read our key verse. But the last verse, 24, says, Jesus is speaking. Stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment. And I think that's spot on to these people that are accusing Jesus of, you know,
healing somebody on the Sabbath or doing something that he shouldn't, that's against the law of Moses or something. He's pretty much telling them like, you're going off of your feelings and what you feel is right in the law of Moses rather than truly what the law of Moses is all about. They're missing that point.
Eric Albright (11:18.956)
the intent.
Jordan Ames (11:22.571)
And yeah, so it's yeah, it's all about it's all about who the law of Moses came from. God even back in that Old Testament, he pretty much just said just love and obey me. Right? wasn't, yeah, love and obey me. And there were so much consumed by
Eric Albright (11:40.581)
that's it. There it is.
Jordan Ames (11:52.928)
you know, the attacking somebody who they saw wasn't obeying the law and they're more consumed with, you know, being the boss, upholding that law than they were just loving God. And rather than loving that person through that disobedience and try and help them, you know, do better or something, they just want to attack. we need to stone this person or we need to...
do this, we need to do that. And Jesus, of course, was bringing a whole new perspective to them. So with that said, what are some practical ways that we can ensure leadership is rooted in Christ rather than focusing on experience, title, or personal ambition?
Eric Albright (12:49.902)
Well, I we got to look at in that case, you know, what did he say they're gonna finish up your last point So if it's rooted in Christ, we're gonna have to follow his teachings. It's rooted in what he said, Because you didn't say rooted in Scripture. He said rooted in Christ now that's different
A lot of scripture points back to Christ, points to or points from Him, whether it's Old Testament or whether it's Epistle teachings, you know, and not gospel, right? Because we've got to look at the way Jesus lived his... if we're going to say in Christ, then... or reflects Christ, then we're going look at his teachings in the gospel. But what you said a minute ago was they were really focused on the law, and they were really focused on the nuance, and they've missed the intent, Jordan. And that really what this comes down to is intent. Is what you're doing...
Jordan Ames (13:30.891)
Mm-hmm.
Eric Albright (13:36.072)
meet capital H, his intent. And you know the most famous verse of that is the great
the greatest commandments, right? You shall love Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. This is the great first commandment and the second is like it. You shall love your neighbors yourself. Only on these two commandments depend all the law and prophets. And what he's referencing there is if you look at the ten commandments, which everybody has heard of, although they sadly probably couldn't name all ten without looking it up, but...
The love your God with all your heart, your soul and your mind covers the first four and love your neighbor as though were yourself covers the second six. And he said, I don't, you don't need to get wrapped up in those 10 commandments and the 613 others or whatever that we had. It all is encompassed by how you carry yourself out in a very broad general way. And it comes back down to your intent. If your intent here was the love and honor God, even if you screwed it up.
You're still, it's not going to be held against you because we're, because of the fall, we're a broken fleshly people. Right? Even if, but if your motive and your intent was to love your neighbor or honor your neighbor or your coworker or your subordinate in the moment, you did your best. You made a decision you had at the time, a God honoring decision in that you led with the fruits of the spirit. You weren't evil. You weren't jealous. You didn't have malice. You didn't have anger. Right? If you, if you did your best and even got it, even if you did that, but you got it wrong, it's still a
God honoring Jesus' honoring moment because we're not gonna get it right and that's the grace that we've been blessed with and given which is the point that Jesus was down here. that's a little bit of, I don't know if they answered your question, which I'll get to in a second, but that's a little encouragement for those making these decisions. So what I would say, don't worry about is getting wrapped up about getting it perfectly right. You don't have to do that. Operate.
Eric Albright (15:34.062)
Inside that you know legal or moral or ethical box inside of that but outside the box of comfort zone Which is number the fear diagram overcome the fear diagram work inside of that and you're not and hope for 80 % at best You might get 80 % of them decisions, right? Don't you could strive for? Perfection, but you cannot ever expect it. That's it bottom line and so go ahead
Jordan Ames (15:41.834)
Mm-hmm.
Jordan Ames (16:02.409)
Yeah, yeah, so, and as you're talking, I was thinking about this question, the practical ways. So how can we practically speak for the honor of the one who sent us, knowing that maybe we're speaking to correct somebody. This is something I've kind of struggled with specifically in parenting. Because just like in the military, it's kind of
Especially if you have a leadership position over somebody, it's easy to walk up them and like, hey, you need to mess that up. You need to do this better. You need to correct this or whatever. But as a parent, it's like I need to correct my child. How can something, God's been working on me, how can I do it in a more graceful, loving way?
and preparing myself for my child who may still lash out at me like, wah, wah, wah, wah. It's like, all right, I'm gonna try to be graceful here and not respond in kind, so to speak.
Eric Albright (17:13.038)
Well, Jordan, I'll be honest with you. This is where we may differ. Leading in the workplace is not the same as leading in the household, specifically for your kids. And here's what I'll tell you, because we're going through a study right now, a dementia group. We're doing one proverb a day. We're really anchoring on it. And we're kind of highlighting some things that suck out or are applicable for the moment. And then we're spending about $15, $10, $5, no less than $5.
Jordan Ames (17:24.697)
no, I agree. 100%.
Eric Albright (17:43.044)
but up to 15 minutes in prayer on that specific proverb every single day. And today's the 10th, we're doing one a day, we're going to do the first 10, but I've already done this a couple times. But the point is, for the parents in the room, it, Proverbs is very clear. Like we have to hold the line with these kids. And so don't for a second, don't for a second, I was to the general public, not you, but don't for a second think that secular world has got this parenting thing figured out. The soft and kind and gentle, I'm not saying don't be soft kind and gentle, but
Jordan Ames (18:00.129)
Yeah.
Eric Albright (18:12.888)
that exclusive approach to parenting will end most times poorly. You have to hold the line as a parent. Now, that's different.
And Proverbs tells us that. Scripture tells us that. You have to be consistent. You have to hold the line because they're arguing from a place of immaturity and pre-emotional, full emotional development. And they don't know what they're even saying. They do crazy, crazy things. You can't rationalize, have a rational conversation with somebody with an irrational development brain. That's my opinion. But it's also scriptural.
Jordan Ames (18:48.115)
Yeah, absolutely. And as a parent, yes, hold the line. But then after you hold the line, sometimes it's at least in my experience, it's been tough to come back and try to have a loving conversation, like try to show love because it's like they.
Again, it's probably just some of the situations that we've gone through over the past couple years, but the...
What we're correcting that they don't agree with that will cause another moment of disobedience that we have to then correct that and trying to find ways that look, yes, you can't do this, but I'm still going to love you. Find ways to love in action and love in words. Honestly, it's been tough for my wife and I, especially dealing with teenagers.
Eric Albright (19:47.95)
That's right.
Eric Albright (19:54.006)
Yeah, it's super tough.
Jordan Ames (19:56.766)
almost every time we turn around, we gotta make a correction. It's like, don't wanna be like that, but at same time, yeah, I'm gonna hold the line. You're going to know what right looks like, and right doesn't change.
Eric Albright (20:07.534)
That's exactly right. I like, that's a good one. You better snip that out and put that on later. You're going to know what right looks like and right doesn't change. It's a fact, it's reality. And if we don't demonstrate to them, now we'll go back to the secular world and the business world in second, but if we don't demonstrate to our children what right looks like to your point, who will?
Jordan Ames (20:13.053)
No.
Eric Albright (20:30.104)
Tony Evans, I mentioned this probably in previous podcast, he says if we don't have our kids to our dinner table, society will absolutely have them to their dinner table. Make your choice.
And anyway, I would argue, parenting is the hardest form of leadership and we're never gonna feel like we get it right. And there's metrics you measure that aren't, is my kid behaving today? That's the wrong metric because, ask some of your child's social psychologists. So don't ask me, but I've heard them tell me that if a kid is misbehaving or speaks up in the house or is a little bit out of line in the house, that's not a bad thing. It means they're comfortable.
That means they're comfortable. So you've created an environment in which they're comfortable expressing themselves. Yeah. And because if you didn't, if they felt uncomfortable, nervous, or scared, or afraid, they'd clam up, Jordan. You'd never hear from them. And I think they're right about that. But being a parent is a far harder leadership endeavor than I think leading in the workplace is, frankly.
Jordan Ames (21:15.189)
That's good. That's encouraging. Thanks.
Jordan Ames (21:35.946)
yeah. Yeah.
Eric Albright (21:37.004)
Here's the thing that I was going to say back to the, do you honor him in doing that? Or how do you have these tough decisions is where we started this before we jumped off that train track for a second. Is this, when you have tough decisions to make, how are you approaching that? How are we approaching that decision making process? What's that syllabus, personal syllabus look like? And I would think,
Jordan Ames (21:44.523)
Mm-hmm.
Eric Albright (22:01.454)
to honor him and to get it right or the 80 % threshold, the first place you need to do is seek. Not so you bought, you know, you got to say something. The boss wants you to direct it. Then you got to push it down and support it. But the first place you seek is lateral.
Find someone, it goes back to the Barnabas Paul Timothy model. Everybody should have a Barnabas and you ought to be offering yourself as Paul for a Timothy. Somebody coming up, right? Somebody you seek advice from and somebody you seek to give advice to who's a little bit in a season behind you. And go ask that Barnabas or another Paul who's either in it with you right now, like for us, it's like go ask another exo or ask a mentor, how would you handle this? Or how should I approach you?
know that's the way to do it that's the way to do it
Jordan Ames (22:50.645)
Yeah, that's really good as far as practical ways, that, yeah, that covers the, that's like implementing systems in our lives so that we can learn and be held accountable as a Christ-centered leader, somebody that wants to emulate their leadership around Christ. That's great. That's the gold nugget for today, I think. Yes.
Eric Albright (23:02.328)
Yeah.
Eric Albright (23:16.53)
Even Christ did that, Jordan. The three, the twelve, the seventy. There were three people that Peter, James, and John that were set aside were at places like the Transfiguration.
The Garden of Jesimene and the raising of Jarius's daughter. Three folks that he picked out of the group of 12 and said, you're out, you're different, you're my close, it's circle, come see this thing. It's the same thing. Who's yours, Jordan? Who's mine? We ask yourself this. Who are those 3 a.m. friends that I can rely on?
And I told a guy the other day, I said, I called him about my good friend, I called him about something about beard maintenance. And it was like 6.45 in the morning. said, look, if you want to call your... Well, look, I said, look, and he didn't answer.
Jordan Ames (24:01.355)
All right.
Jordan Ames (24:05.885)
At least I wasn't at 3 a.m. you called about beer maintenance.
Eric Albright (24:11.562)
I said, look, if you want to be a 3 a.m. friend, you got to be a 6 45 a.m. friend first. I had a very important beard question I needed to ask you. But that's the thing about it is like you got to have that inner circle that you trust and bounce it off of them. None of these decisions, God honoring decisions should be made in a vacuum unless they have to be. There's no need for that. It doesn't mean seek it every time and don't, you know, paralysis by analysis, make a decision.
Jordan Ames (24:18.111)
Hahaha!
man.
Eric Albright (24:39.438)
But also be willing to seek outside input. You might have missed something. Or maybe they'll just, you know, they'll kind of lift you up, your hands up and say, I'm going to help you through this. Or it'll give you a little bit of validation. Like, now you're right on. That makes sense. It's not going to be easy. But that checks out.
Jordan Ames (24:57.643)
Yeah. And I would add to all that, pray. Seek the one who sent you, If you're going to seek to honor the one who sent you, certainly seek the one who sent you. But yeah, having, like you said, a close group of friends that can be peers, that can be mentors above you, and then ones that you're able to.
Eric Albright (25:02.446)
That's a good one.
Jordan Ames (25:27.881)
mentor. That's good. So kind of to wrap up, kind get to kind of a statement that you can comment on.
Jordan Ames (25:46.656)
And this is what we try to do. This was the whole purpose behind the book, Red Letter Leadership, behind going through the gospels was that we can find a leadership lesson in every passage. That was kind of the challenge. That was the belief that we had. And so.
I'll phrase this as a question then. Can the words of Jesus, and not only the words, but the situations, you know, the context of the situations that he found himself in, or like...
This podcast is going to drop in a couple of weeks, but on April 7th, we released a podcast called Defining Reality. And we talked about Mary, the mother of Jesus, and Zechariah before Jesus was even around, and the leadership lessons that we can take out of there. So through the Gospels, can we find an answer to any leadership challenge?
Eric Albright (26:52.022)
Are you asking me that question? I would hope the answer is yeah, I mean...
Jordan Ames (26:53.631)
Yeah, yeah, that's a big one, huh? I mean, that's a yes, but like that's a big one to expound on for sure.
Eric Albright (27:01.58)
Here's what you won't find, and this was Jesus' point, and it's probably a good place to end on. If you're looking for the exact situation, if you're looking for the mosaic law that fits that exact moment that you're in and the exact problem you're dealing with or situation, you will not find it most of the time. But if you look at it like a matter of principles of morality to employ, and you approach it from its system thinking,
and this is how the system approaches it, then you will come to an answer. You're looking at it the way, rather than what to think, Jesus teaches you how to think, Jordan. And so if you embrace that, the Christ-like leadership model, it's not, what happened whenever I got to do a fitness report or an employee evaluation, what did Jesus say about that? No.
Jordan Ames (27:49.547)
Yeah, right.
Eric Albright (27:51.052)
But if you employ it like he did the two great commandments, love God, love people, in the way that Jesus led, he's a servant leader, and that looks simply like this, is the outcome of your motive.
serving you or is it serving someone else or the greater good? If you can answer that honestly and say the outcome here is serving the institution, my boss or the person and not me, this isn't a selfish, this is a selfless decision, then that's a Jesus honoring Jesus demonstrated model of leadership. Simple. That's it.
Jordan Ames (28:23.903)
Amen.
That was a great answer to that loaded question, arguably. Yeah, yeah, and I've said this before, the Bible's main theme from Genesis to Revelation is relationships. And when it comes down to how to lead, it comes down to relationships. The art of leadership is how to lead in the different
Eric Albright (28:32.654)
you
Jordan Ames (28:53.973)
context and the different relational, you know, context we have, whether it's more of a formal professional type thing or a parenting thing. But like you said, the principles are all there. The good, the sound, the good principles of leadership are biblical. If they weren't good, they wouldn't be biblical.
Eric Albright (29:15.307)
in Scripture.
Jordan Ames (29:16.511)
Yeah. So yeah, and this is why I love having you and Ben especially write those lessons with me because the different perspectives, like we could look at the same passage and take out a different lesson from it, right? Maybe it's just because of how it applies to our life in that time.
Eric Albright (29:41.066)
It's living and active. It will change every day for you.
Jordan Ames (29:44.23)
Absolutely. that's like you said that that's Jesus. That's what he came to square up. Right. He's teaching how to think, which I think is a lot of people who have a problem with the Bible and nonbelievers who might want to, you know, throw insults at it, likely haven't read it before. Or we're just raised in the church and they got some sort of bad taste in their mouth about it. Probably because
They were raised in a way that you shouldn't think, just do this because it says to do this. And Jesus shows up and is like, he explains why we need to be doing what we're doing. And he gives us the freedom for how to think. But yet he gives us the standard of which to hold.
So with that, you got any closing comments before I wrap up for a challenge to our listeners?
Eric Albright (30:43.234)
No, I think we're about out of quarters here as we got another guest coming off for the next podcast. But.
Jordan Ames (30:48.203)
Yeah, I'll be recording another one.
That one will probably drop before this one, actually. Yeah.
Eric Albright (30:56.642)
That's fair. Hey, that was a great podcast, man. Great interview, Jordan. Good job on the last one, buddy. Very insightful. Here's my...
Jordan Ames (31:02.511)
Right. So let me leave us to the, you got something? Yeah, please.
Eric Albright (31:07.278)
I have one profound thought that came out of our small group study the other night. And this is like obvious everyone knows this, but think about this for a second. We were doing a study on Noah, okay? And we're in the backside of Genesis 6, not the front side with all the goofy stuff and the evil corruption. All right, let's not go there, but because there's a lot of ways you could go down that rabbit hole. We're not gonna do that. But the second half is Noah's conversation with God and his obedience. He called him a righteous man, okay? But Noah obeyed.
God in that moment without having any idea what was about to happen. but Noah was willing the same God that Noah was having that conversation with on a daily basis because you mentioned have that conversation is the same God that you and I can have that conversation with today right now when we're done with this podcast anytime we want.
We are connected by zero degrees of separation throughout history to these people of scripture. if Noah was demonstrating obedience to that God, who are we to ever say, Jordan, I got it figured out. I'm better than that. Things have progressed. Holy cow. The profound moment it was that holy cow. mean, it's like the same.
God that he was praying to is this or having a conversation with is the same one you are having a conversation with Jordan and that was the flood account like that was like the erasure of of evil humanity that same same God you're having that conversation with him in the morning over coffee think that's profound bro yeah it's a great song
Jordan Ames (32:35.755)
Yeah.
Jordan Ames (32:47.563)
That's, yeah, that's great. I love that song, Same God. You've probably heard it. But yeah, that has spoken to me in the past several years very profoundly, very strongly. That is crazy. That's absolutely crazy. And it's something that we can easily take for granted. Like when we bow our heads to pray, like think about who you're calling on, who you're speaking to.
Eric Albright (33:00.758)
Isn't that crazy?
think just to think about that. Very much so.
Jordan Ames (33:17.319)
I think when we truly
Eric Albright (33:17.442)
This isn't, I'm holding up the Bible, this isn't like, you know, old fairy tale of old. Like, this guy on this page...
Whatever. Genesis 1, Jordan, on this page, right here, Genesis 10. That's where we're No other thing. But that guy in Genesis 1, that God, is the same God you and I are praying to when we're done with this podcast, my good friend. It's not old school stuff. It's living. It's active. It's currently what we are living. We are living out this... He has not changed since Genesis 1. We have.
Jordan Ames (33:54.592)
Right? And it's why red letter leadership is so important. Because it's that same God who we're taking leadership lessons from.
Eric Albright (34:07.458)
Yes, that's the model.
Jordan Ames (34:08.363)
Like, he came here not only to, I mean, his main mission was to sacrifice himself for us because there was no one else fitting to do so, and then to raise himself back to life under his own authority to show us that he's conquered all that. Like, that was his main thing. But he spent an entire life showing us how to live with others.
how to work well with others, how to lead others. He had to be the one to show us that because nobody else was capable of doing it.
Eric Albright (34:46.52)
Correct. Yeah, it's good stuff. It's really good stuff.
Jordan Ames (34:48.757)
Yeah. So I want leave the listeners with this. What would it look like this week to intentionally lead in one situation? Just think of the different situations, whether it's at work, at home, in church, in the community. Lead in one situation, and then think of this phrase in your mind when you're thinking of that situation. For the honor of the one who sent you.
Like do we wake up in the morning, go about our day? We're going to have influence on somebody that day. Every day we have the power to raise somebody up or to tear somebody down. We're going to have power to influence somebody. Are we thinking in terms of I'm going to live, speak, walk, read for the honor of the one who sent you? So I'll leave us with that.
We'll see you on next episode.
Eric Albright (35:50.478)
Thanks buddy, good stuff.
Jordan Ames (35:53.759)
Yeah, All right. I hope he.
Eric Albright (35:57.198)
You're still recording.
Jordan Ames (36:02.495)
Check my email, see if the email in me is, okay. There's a bio.
Eric Albright (36:06.412)
You're still recording, buddy.
Jordan Ames (36:10.668)
All right, well, I'll have to this out then.
Eric Albright (36:11.182)
Hahaha
